Paul McCartney was a guest on The Jonathan Ross Show yesterday on ITV and spoke about a variety of topics, most notably recounting the murder of John Lennon in 1980. BBC published several of the quotes from the show, with McCartney saying that he felt “very lucky” that he eventually made up with his Beatles bandmate after the tumultuous period following the Beatles’ split.

“We got to a point where we got really crappy over business,” McCartney said. “To me that rubbed off on me and for years I thought, ‘oh me and John, butter rivals’ and all this stuff.” After both men became fathers in the 70s, they reconnected, bonding over what McCartney called “normal stuff” such as being fathers and “bread-making recipes.” “I’m so glad because it would have been the worst thing in the world to have this great relationship that then soured and he gets killed, so there was some solace in the fact that we got back together. We were good friends,” he said.

John Lennon was shot by Mark David Chapman (who McCartney called “the jerk of jerks”) on December 8, 1980 in New York City outside his apartment. Paul recounted the moment he found out his bandmate had been killed. “I was at home and I got a phone call. It was early in the morning,” the bassist said. “It was just horrific, you couldn’t take it in and I couldn’t take it in.” Sir Paul summed it up by saying, “For me it was just so sad that I wasn’t going to see him again and we weren’t going to hang.”

Watch a clip of McCartney speaking on the show below.