The Story of the Ghosts, or How to Build a Forest (Part Three: Staging Ghosts)

Jesse Jarnow on October 16, 2019
The Story of the Ghosts, or How to Build a Forest (Part Three: Staging Ghosts)

Here is the third installment of a four-part series that explores how Trey Anastasio’s Ghosts of the Forest project came to fruition. In case you missed the initial pieces, you can look back at part one and part two.


Jennifer Hartswick [vocals]: I loved this music. I came in after the recording process, so I came in with really fresh ears to a project that was basically complete. The first time I heard any of the music was when I heard the record, and I was driving, just weeping. I had to pull over, not necessarily from the sadness, but the intensity of the music. I feel like it was written with a different purpose than anything Trey had written before, and played with a different intent.

Ray Paczkowski: It was really a one-of-a-kind thing. The music that came out of all of this has that emotional quality to it. But the songs were just unique, too. The first track on the album [“Ghosts of the Forest”], I’ve never heard Trey do something like that, just the perfect melding of an odd time-signature.

Trey Anastasio:  ​Kasvot Växt, Ghosts of the Forest, and [the staged New Year’s version of] “Mercury” all happened in a nine-month period. That’s 30 new songs and two essentially new songs with near-full production in less than a year. Part of why it works is because I learned how to prepare and run rehearsals. You do enormous amounts of prep work before you get there and you know exactly what you want to accomplish with the limited time. You bring appropriate charts and you sketch it, which leaves space in rehearsals for the most important part, which is  being open and free with the band and production team. By preparing, you don’t leave these massively talented musicians standing around getting bored while you try to make up your mind. Everyone is present in the room and together we fly. I mean, look at what Abbey did. That’s a pro. She did it all before she did it, then at rehearsals she was wide open.

Abigail Holmes: The backdrop was one of the first elements in the design. I had been making some paper art, just for myself. As we talked about the project, I had the idea that those pieces could be the basis for a backdrop. Since the original paper pieces are handmade, there is a very organic quality to them. The pieces are placed slightly differently, shaped slightly differently. The dimensional pieces of the drapes were applied by hand, they feel very different from something which is made by machine. That seemed true to the nature and forest references, the raw quality of the emotional content of some of the songs, and the nature of the band and how they played.

Trey Anastasio: The backdrop was a roll-uppable piece of fabric that she sculpted, while listening to the music, based on her interpretations of the music. It was very integrated. She designed the backdrop that almost looked like metal. She crafted it on a piece of paper, which is now framed and hanging right in front of me as we speak in my home. She built it like it’s a sculpture, with little folded pieces of paper, then had somebody fabricate it out of fabric in such a way that it looks like the original.

Abbey laid out exactly where the band was set up. It looked so good. She would send me stuff and I would make suggestions. For instance, Tony likes to be not on the hi-hat side of the drums. He’s told me that over the years. And Fish told me that he likes to turn his head to the left when he plays, and that way he can look at my right arm, so if I start to speed up or slow down he can go with me.

She decided that she wanted Jennifer and Celisse in between the fabric pieces, standing in a row. I had told Abbey that I wanted the vocalists to be able to disappear from the audience’s view, when the four of us start jamming. But I didn’t want anybody to see them walking off stage, I wanted them to vanish. That’s why they weren’t on the other side of Ray. Abbey also told us that if our clothes were camel-colored or white, we would disappear into the background more easily, so I found a camel-colored jacket and a white jacket and Jen and Celisse also dressed in that color scheme.

Abigail Holmes: The patterns of the drape and the thin vertical panels of the LED were partially conceived as non-literal woods, the shapes on the drape nodding to the filtered light [as seen] through leaves in the woods. They were designed to allow a sense of depth, so the visuals could sort of float or recede in portions of the show. Maybe that could feel like a disconnect from an everyday reality, and create space around the music, let it be expansive.

About a month prior to production rehearsals, I spent several days with a programmer workshopping the visual ideas in a 3D rendering set-up. Trey spent time with us, and we tested the live camera effects used for the song “About to Run”, and other video imagery. That was a good opportunity to talk more about the shape of the show, and narrow the direction for some things, so we could make the best use of production rehearsals.

Jennifer Hartswick: When you’re working with somebody else, I won’t say working for somebody else, but when you’re responsible for carrying out their vision, I will very often rely on what it is that person wants: What are you looking for? What do you hear? And [on Ghosts of the Forest] it was met every time with, “What would Jennifer Hartswick do?” “Should we come in the second time?” Trey would just smile and say, “What would Jennifer Hartswick do?” And so it becomes really personal, too. Like, “Well, I’d do this, if I were me.”

photo credit: Patrick Jordan

Celisse Henderson [vocals]: It’s infectious. It’s impossible to be around that energy and not feel incredibly grateful. You can’t have much of an ego about anything when you’re opposite someone who’s in charge of everything, and is the best at everything, and also is so eager to learn, at every moment.

Jennifer Hartswick: For what was only a very short tour, there was an enormous amount of work and thought and care that went into it. Because ideally that’s how you want to birth something, but also if you’re paying homage to your best friend who passed away, you want to do it exactly right.

photo credit: Patrick Jordan

Celisse Henderson: Sometimes you lose a little perspective about what the thing is and how it reads in the house, because you’re on the stage. The sound set-up is so incredible, they’re multitrack recording everything. Trey went home and listened through, and at the beginning of one of the rehearsals on one of the days, we went and sat and watched and listened. The initial idea was to ask them to cue up certain places, to look at this, and try this, but we were all so stunned and how everything sounded and looked with Abbey running through her cues. Trey would call up a certain number, and they’d use that as a rehearsal for the lights. So we got to sit out and experience what it was and what it looked like and what it sounded like, and it was pretty incredible. It made all the things we were doing make a lot more conceptual sense. When you’re standing on stage, and there are lights everywhere around you, with a beautiful backdrop, the gravity can be hard to read because you’re inside it. But being out there and seeing how magnificent it looked, more than anything, it was invigorating!

photo credit: Patrick Jordan

Trey Anastasio: We had a dress rehearsal where I actually took the band out into the room and made them watch and listen to the way they were playing while watching the production, which was hugely successful. It was actually the turning point. On “Beneath a Sea of Stars,” I think there was a little bit of fear happening, that people felt like they had to play too much because it was so gentle. And then I had everybody come out and sit in a semicircle and watch what Abbey was doing with the production while the tape of the band played. And the next time they went up on stage, they got it. It gave people the confidence to be spacious and slow and patient.

Jennifer Hartswick: We had the luxury of having several sets of rehearsals. We would all meet up in New York for four days, start feeling out what felt right. We multi-tracked every rehearsal, and by the end of the day our entire multi-tracked rehearsal was in a folder, and we could go back and listen to it and say “I liked this,” “let’s do this,” or whatever. It’s extreme. No one else I’ve ever worked with does anything like this. It’s blowing Celisse’s mind. She’s like, “Is this normal?” And, yeah, it is.

Ghosts of the Forest full technical rehearsals in NYC – April 2019

Jon Fishman: That last round of rehearsals in the dress rehearsal space, with Abbey’s production in there as well, is where we really dialed it in, two days before the first show. April 2nd was our last rehearsal in New York. And that was basically the day the order of the songs and everything came together. The first time we played the show that everyone saw on April 4th was on April 2nd. It all kind of came together right up at the finish line. It was a comfortable process.


Next time: Touring Ghosts